I have always heard greater mass can cause over penetration, and certainly fast and heavy bullets go through people. All handgun wounds will combine the components of penetration, permanent cavity, and temporary cavity to a greater or lesser degree. Speed, power & high capacity.... Hope I was some help.... Not a lick of science in this article. However the 9mm is much faster. BULK 223 AND 5.56 AMMO SHIPS FOR FREE!.223 ammo is one of the most popular rifle cartridges among American shooters. 1. All the best from a small, cold island! https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/03/9mm-40-45-acp-stopping-power/ As the mass of the projectile does not change, appreciatively, what is reduced is the velocity of the projectile. The reality is that 30% is on the high side. Yeah its not close because its way higher moron. Stopping power is not the same as joules or ft/lbs. I had thousands .45 230 grains  hardball and some +Ps hallow points with my standard 1911 when I tested my friend's full size 9mm. When choosing between the two, also consider which gun feels better in your hand. ), , and 10mm (650 ft. Search through the selection of more than 100 stores on WikiArms.com Like Barbarossa said..nothing unnerves a man more than some son of a bitch that stands when he ahould be running. I thought this was going to get way uglier in the comments. I bought it for my wife close to 40 years ago, then she decided not to shoot anymore, sad and not so safe. You ask why? In the majority of the states, anything more than 2 rounds down range puts in in the pin for excessive force! Just because the FBI says, doesn't make it a fact. Lousy ass training and poor shooting skills of theor agents. All the targets, conclusion is I guess if your shooting steel targets you better use ar500 steel if you don't want to destroy them with you .45, but for self defense I mean, the FBI testing protocol is just like Mil-Spec—it sounds cool til you actually know what it is. , the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: LEOs have a 20 to 30% accuracy rate in shootouts, so magazine capacity is important. Statistically this is a dead heat and well within any reasonable margin of error; but remember, the 9mm and .45 ACP wound channels are essentially the same in size, so what is the difference? Option two; You select a certain ammunition that has been proved to not fully penetrate. Thats what I carry now.Always will.When that loud bitch goes off it gets everyones attention..especially the turd youre trying to ghost. My wife was a Harville from Alabama. It fires slow and heavy bullets at a lower muzzle velocity than the 9mm and can be suppressed to near-whisper levels. Energy is a square of velocity. Outstanding. The problem is you can't always be sure of what's behind your target in a defensive situation. Lmao. Thank you! This far Left, anti-gun rights organization slants and grossly misrepresents events by omitting vital information from their "articles" and adding bald faced lies. I carry a Sig P320 Compact in .45 ACP (I mainly carry .45 ACP) and 357 SIG. Now a .44 magnum round to the arm or leg? Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. Accuracy is affected by the stress of being shot at, the need to establish effective cover, high respiratory rate from the exertion required to get to that cover, moving (and sometimes multiple) targets and other factors. Even if you think size > capacity or more bullets is better, you have to admit having bigger bullets and having more bullets on tap are both worthy considerations when choosing one gun over the other. John Browning created the .45 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) cartridge in 1905, two years before Smith & Wesson released the .44 Special. In the real world a single hit with a .45 will stop him. Try firing one off indoors in the dark with no ear protection. Today it sends your readers to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence." I'm removing that link since it looks like it was redirected. for Grizzly. with two shots in the heart from a 40 S&W. But that's all a moot point. He therefore didn’t object when his client decided to name their new round the .45 Colt Automatic Pistol, or .45 ACP for short. Call me crazy but home defense SCREAMS for a good ole Mossberg cruiser with a nice laser sight and maybe a strong, blinding flashlight for perps' who go 'bump in the night' into your coffee table. The .44 Magnum is what most people consider to be the best of the “old-school” straight-walled cases. However I don't really feel the average .45acp has that much more recoil "if any more" than a hot 9mm round. Their work is helpful: If you were in charge of Hornady, you would rely on SAAMI specs to make sure you’re turning out the same sized products as Federal Premium. And, once you get below 9 rounds in the weapon, bullet effectiveness becomes much more important. What is much more important is training and practice. When comparing the two handguns, it’s important to note that the 9mm hasn’t become better than the .45 ACP…it just caught up to it. you make me laugh. Practice both bullseye and tactical shooting skills. Bullet tech has come a long way for the .45 also.. ya ever seen the hole a .230 grain HST makes?..960 dia. As far as capacity goes, I live in a 10 round state. They need a lot more practice. 30.06 I say different tools for different tasks. It could be that when hollow points fail, 9mm isn't going deep enough, and perhaps the FMJ's don't overpenetrate in this caliber as much as others (especially because the most popular FMJ rounds are usually lighter 115 grain bullets). If you live in an apartment, or even a neighborhood, there's no way to know what's behind your target. * Universal availability or AMMO--actually should be #1 !! They obviously apply to other calibers as well. That’s where the .357 SIG comes into play. Skeet shooting and duck hunting are his all-time favorite hobbies, but he's more than ready to talk your ear off about collecting and sport shooting as well. As a beginner, I'm going hiking with lots of bears. The new model is dubbed Barkeep. Praised for being compact and easier to handle than its .45 ACP counterpart, the 9mm has become one of the most popular rounds in the world. Click, Army is in the process of switching over to the. It’s truly sad that worthless police management who sit on their asses all day behind their desk in their A/C can implement near-sighted ideas like this, but it is what it is. Check out our beginners guns video course. However neither caliber is magical, as some may believe. Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. I agree with what the majority of old veterans say. The .45 ACP, .40 S&W or 9mm are the most commonly argued for calibers. Their testing shows seven 9mm rounds that equal or exceed 500 ft lb, with 4 hitting between 511 and 540 ft lb. Both kills, but one kills instantly, the other allows for return fire from your attacker. Firing the 9mm at the range was fun, then I fired the .45...had to peel the smile off of my face. I shoot 240 consistently with my 40 and would never carry a 9 unless I had to. My first thought is: .45 is better because it's bigger. Can't go wrong with that. Its not about hitting something or someone behind the assailant, it's about hitting something through the wall and the garden fence behind the assailant. When I'm in the woods I use .45 cast. I have many .45 and 9mm. Probably because it doesn't penetrate as far. Lots of bullets. I myself started out carrying a 22.lr handgun because it was what I shot since I was a kid. My "bedroom" gun (the one I keep ready for home defense situation) is a 1911 Gov. I find it funny that people pretend that modern ammo has only improved the 9mm. what do you expect from them? When choosing between the two, also consider which gun feels better in your hand. Ultimately, both guns are great weapons to have. Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. 45 will make a bigger hole, which can be a decisive factor in lethality. I could not agree with you more on every level. I think there was a fundamental mistake about over penetration in this article. Maoris beware. I'd prefer to hit with a slow moving baseball than a faster golf ball . My personal favorite without a doubt is the 1911 design, even though it's heavy, expensive to shoot, and has a limited magazine. Still, if someone breaks in the house I keep a .45 S&W revolver next to the bed. 45ACP. I agree with the .45 recoil being overblown. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/45auto.html A key point in choosing self-defense ammo is its ability to quickly neutralize a threat. New powders and more advanced bullet designs used only work for the 9mm not 45 acp or 40 S&W? DoubleTap.com uses Speer Gold Dots and has some hot loads. Why .45 ACP The .45 ACP is a round that is frankly hard to argue with. WIth that size gun/barrel you have lots of options. Of course, 10mm which has less mass than .45 ACP still has more energy than the other calibers because its a relatively fast bullet and it's heavy, but it's not as fast as .357 SIG but it penetrates significantly more. The .300 Winchester Magnum and the .300 Weatherby Magnum haven’t even got the same parent casing. Furthermore, the 9mm is more practical for the average shooter looking to spend time on the range. Maybe a 1911 in 9mm and good defensive ammo is in my future. While it cannot be argued that Americans did not single-handedly win the war or that we contributed the most warfighters or took the most losses, it is also safe to say that without American intervention it is entirely probable that the UK would have fallen and the USSR would not have been able to push the Germans back. I shoot the 1911 platform better than any semi auto or revolver I’ve ever shot. 9mm in the field just makes sense, for all the reasons Eric lists plus those of you fine, well informed readers. If you're hiking with bears, I presume they would protect you. Both (roughly!) If not please remember Grand Theft Auto is just a video game, not real life. some info is well hidden for obvious reasons. The truth is…neither gun has a total advantage over the other one, and your personal preferences will play a lot in determining which handgun is for you. Did the "suspects" who had 9mm rounds bounce off of them happen to be wearing red underwear and a big "S" on their chest. Now you may assume that the 9mm's must be effective because they simply passed through the body since more than half were FMJ's. Or does it take a .500 Smith? Contrary to world-wide teaching, not one of us was born (or created) in the "image and likeness of God." Anyone else think the same thing? I prefer more shock per hit. The debate over the 9mm and .45 ACP is one of the, You’ll hear a lot of people say that the .45 is better because it shoots a bigger caliber bullet, or that the 9mm is better because of its capacity.
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